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On 6/2/2022 10:44 AM, Bengt Ovelius wrote:

Hi

In previous discussion, several of you have explicitly asked for evidence, when I used climate sensitivity=36 to make a forecast 2008-2022 that turned out to be very accurate (while the IPCC failed )

Now the proof is here

https://ppm.today/index.html?climate-sensitivity---2022-060.htm

This is the most important calculation in the whole climate debate and it shows that the whole climate policy has to change urgently.

 

Climate experts should stand up as one man and explain to politicians that GDP class amounts must be invested NOW to remove greenhouse gases on a huge scale. All with technology the world has yet to see. NOT telling the truth is a crime against humanity.

If my derivation is wrong - then point out the error or present your own calculations of instantaneous climate sensitivity as soon as possible.

Time is running out and this needs to be brought up for discussion.

The same thing is described here , more intuitively, about the huge error of thought made by the IPCC 40 years ago.

https://ppm.today/index.html?klimatkaenslighet-och-ipcc.htm

Psychological research has already explained 50 years ago the mechanisms behind Groupthink that destroys science and politics

https://ppm.today/index.html?psykologi---klimat.htm

In all humility I would say that all this needs to be discussed if we are to survive the climate crisis.

Best regards

Bengt Ovelius

070 7225005

PS Here is the instantaneous climate sensitivity as a function of ppm CO2

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We see that the climate sensitivity was 15 during the deepest ice age

and it was 36 around 320 ppm CO2

Now it is approaching 150

 

The above is based on NASA's latest observations of doubling the energy flux.

Then all possibilities to defend climate sensitivity = 3 with planetary orbits etc. fall away

The above is based on facts unfolding right now and measured by NASA

Since the time constant is 800 years, we still notice quite little of this cruel process,

but it's the job of climate experts to understand the process and to engage in free, open, honest discussion.

 


 

 

 

To Parliament,

Lars, Richard

It is becoming increasingly clear what the reality of the climate is:

1. All parties get the lowest marks https://www.dn.se/vetenskap/wwf-ger-bottenbetyg-at-de-stora-partiernas-valloften/

 

2. 2022-06-02 The two-day UN summit in Stockholm: "Embarrassing" and "sloppily prepared". according to. SVT Hosting your own UN conference is a unique opportunity.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/klimatkrisen-kraver-tuffa-beslut-inte-annu-en-talkshow

 

3. Please go back to my report from the Riksdag's climate conference

https://ppm.today/index.html?riksdagens-klimatkonferens_2.htm

In my comments there are perhaps outlines of all the components that would have given the parties top marks and also a clear vision that would have given the UN summit a transformative content. Sweden could now have the leading position in the world (as desired at the climate conference).

The conference was held against the backdrop of the flawed climate policy . in the hope of new ideas and new ways forward. No new ideas were put forward.

Now much later.................

There is a hopeful summary in today's DN (today 2022 06 05): Sverige Strömlöst

https://ppm.today/index.html?sverige-stroemloest.htm

You can turn this into powerful policy. A newsstand voter ahead of the election. Now finally maybe politicians dare to tell the truth about the climate because the solutions exist !

In addition: challenge our experts. A whole year of debate from my side ends in these final lines where the experts throw in the towel:

https://ppm.today/index.html?diskussion-med-expertisen.htm

The experts cannot defend the "IPCC summary for policymakers" that they themselves helped to write. It should be the duty of the Riksdag to get to the bottom of this because the entire Swedish people have been deceived, as well as the elected politicians. You cannot sweep this under the carpet. What we are talking about here is really dangerous !!! This is the most important point in the whole climate crisis.

 

MVH Bengt Ovelius

070 7225005

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On 2022-06-06 10:14, Bengt Ovelius wrote:

Hi

You, the climate experts, need to start helping

so that both politicians and people understand that 200 Gton CO2 and 2 Gton methane must be sucked out of the atmosphere, starting no later than 2025.

So that everyone understands that this is our only way out. There is relatively simple mathematics behind this.

The alternative is for the climate experts to come up with a better calculation of instantaneous climate sensitivity than the one I present here

https://ppm.today/index.html?climate-sensitivity---2022-060.htm

I have sent the following to the two most active climate actors in Parliament.

Climate sensitivity is the most important figure in all climate policy and everything else is derived from it. (e.g. NetZero policy)

If the climate experts have no opinion at all on the most important issue ever , the same climate experts should consider resigning.

We, Swedish citizens, pay your salaries and we want to know the truth.

Nor should we forget what is at stake: thefuture of our young people and the whole of civilisation.

I claim, based on the above mathematical derivation, that instantaneous climate sensitivity is 150 right now.

Confirm - deny - point out the errors - come up with your own derivation !

NASA's latest measurements show that my previous calculation basis cs=36 is too low.

The climate crisis is thus 150/3 = 50 times more brutal than what the IPCC gives the picture of in the last report.

Therefore the permafrost is melting 70 years earlier than scientists thought. That's why an entire small town could burn down in 2 days in Canada.

Each of you should make your own calculation that ignores what the IPCC says.

Anything above cs=4 justifies the scientific earthquake that Johan Rockstrom is talking about. This earthquake (which gives us the truth) must come NOW if we are to overcome the climate threat.

https://www.svd.se/den-heliga-graal-klimatkansligheten-skakas-i-grunden

Prof. James Hansen has long argued at least cs=6 and the last major simulations support this view, which the IPCC ignores.

Act or resign ! Time has run out ! Raise this for wide discussion.

Otherwise, the collective expertise should be called to account in the Constitutional Committee. Where is the true, open discussion on the most important issue, ever??

Best regards

Bengt Ovelius

070 7225005

 

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To the Riksdag,

Lars, Richard

It is becoming increasingly clear what the reality of the climate is:

1. All parties get the lowest marks https://www.dn.se/vetenskap/wwf-ger-bottenbetyg-at-de-stora-partiernas-valloften/

 

2. 2022-06-02 The two-day UN summit in Stockholm: "Embarrassing" and "sloppily prepared". according to. SVT Hosting your own UN conference is a unique opportunity.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/klimatkrisen-kraver-tuffa-beslut-inte-annu-en-talkshow

 

3. Please go back to my report from the Riksdag's climate conference

https://ppm.today/index.html?riksdagens-klimatkonferens_2.htm

In my comments there are perhaps outlines of all the components that would have given the parties top marks and also a clear vision that would have given the UN summit a transformative content. Sweden could now have the leading position in the world (as desired at the climate conference).

The conference was held against the backdrop of the flawed climate policy . in the hope of new ideas and new ways forward. No new ideas were put forward.

Now much later.................

There is a hopeful summary in today's DN (today 2022 06 05): Sverige Strömlöst

https://ppm.today/index.html?sverige-stroemloest.htm

You can turn this into powerful policy. A newsstand voter ahead of the election. Now finally maybe politicians dare to tell the truth about the climate because the solutions exist !

In addition: challenge our experts. A whole year of debate from my side ends in these final lines where the experts throw in the towel:

https://ppm.today/index.html?diskussion-med-expertisen.htm

The experts cannot defend the "IPCC summary for policymakers" that they themselves helped to write. It should be the duty of the Riksdag to get to the bottom of this because the entire Swedish people have been deceived, as well as the elected politicians. You cannot sweep this under the carpet. What we are talking about here is really dangerous !!! This is the most important point in the whole climate crisis.

 

MVH Bengt Ovelius

070 7225005

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On 6/6/2022 11:54 AM, Lennart Bengtsson wrote:

 

Hi,

I am unable to help you in any major degree. I can only manage to save a few extra kilos of CO2 a day by cutting all possible waste and avoid taking exercises. I suggest you urgently contact and warn president Biden and Secretary General Xi Jinping. They are probably able to do a little more.

Good Luck

Regards

L

 


 

Hi Lennart

 

I am grateful that you are at least responding, but I am deeply concerned and shaken that you have given up.

You are not prepared to lift a finger for our young people to survive this crisis.

 

President Biden and Secretary General Xi Jinping are not climate experts and both probably trust what the IPCC says.

 

I present evidence for climate sensitivity that invalidates the latest IPCC report and climate sensitivity

influences other conclusions,

 

Even heavier is likely that Prof. James Hansen and last heavy simulations point to IPCC being wrong with climate sensitivity=3

 

It is with you who are climate experts that the scientific earthquake must start that Prof. Johan Rockström is calling for.

 

Just one of you can probably change Sweden's entire climate policy by following the Higher Education Act and asserting the right to your own opinion.

 

Each of you can make this deduction far better than I can:

 

https://ppm.today/index.html?climate-sensitivity---2022-060.htm

 

The only thing I ask as an innovator is, to get an accurate picture of the climate. I have heard a number of explanations

from the article authors below that climate sensitivity is 3 and that Zero Emissions 2045 is a workable policy.

But all these explanations fall flat when NASA announces that the heat effect to the oceans has

doubled between 379 and 409 ppm. From these simple facts, each of you can calculate the instantaneous

climate sensitivity. If you can do this and can prove that the result is 3, you have won over me

and I tip my hat and congratulate you all.

 

 

DN Debate. "Don't spread the image that it's too late to save the climate"

Frida Bender, Associate Professor of Climate Modelling, Department of Meteorology, Stockholm University

Rodrigo Caballero, Professor of Climate Modelling, Department of Meteorology, Stockholm University

Deliang Chen, Professor of Physical Meteorology, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Gothenburg

John Hassler, Professor of Economics, Institute of International Economics, Stockholm University

Per Krusell, Professor of Economics, Institute of International Economics, Stockholm University

Thorsten Mauritsen, Senior Lecturer in Climate Science, Department of Meteorology, Stockholm University

Jonas Nycander, Professor of Physical Oceanography, Department of Meteorology, Stockholm University

Michael Tjernström, Professor of Meteorology, Department of Meteorology, Stockholm University